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Link: Taking This Serially

j. b. crawford's Taking This Serially (via) is about the history of serial connections and RS-232, including the various connectors used and the complications that ensued with actually connecting things serially. I have a certain amount of history with serial connections, so I found this interesting.

(Also, looking at the article's pinouts for DE9/DB9 serial connectors made me realize something, but that's another blog entry.)

links/TakingThisSerially written at 23:53:16; Add Comment

The balance of power between distributions and software authors

In a comment on my entry on how modern software controls dependencies because it helps software authors, Peter Donis raised a good and interesting point:

I understand the issue you are describing for software authors, but as a software user, if bundling static dependencies instead of using shared libraries means security vulnerabilities in software I'm using take longer to get fixed, then I'll just have to stop using that software altogether. And for the vast majority of software I use, I don't get it directly from the author; I get it from my distro, so what matters to me is how easily the distro can fix issues and push updates to me.

And the distro maintainers know that, and they know that users like me are depending on the distros to get those vulnerabilities fixed and push updates in a timely manner; so if particular software programs make it hard for them to do that, they have an incentive to stop packaging those programs. It seems to me that, if push comes to shove, the distros have the upper hand here. [...]

My view is that there is a somewhat complicated balance of power involved between software authors and distributions, all starting with the people who are actually using the software. This balance of power used to be strongly with distributions, but various aspects of modern software has shifted it toward software authors.

As a person using software, I want to, well, use the software, with as little hassle and as few security issues, bugs, and other problems as possible. Like most people I'm broadly indifferent to how this is done, because my goal is to use the software. However, how much aggravation people will put up with to use software depends on how important it is to them, and I'm no exception to this.

(This balance is individual, not universal; different people and organizations have different needs and priorities.)

If the software is not all that critical or important to me, my threshold for aggravation is low. In fact if the aggravation level is too high I may not even use the software. Here the distribution mostly holds the balance of power, as in Peter Donis' comment, because obtaining software through the distribution is often much easier (although that's changing). If the distribution refuses to package a particular piece of software and it's not that important, I may well do without; if it only packages an old version, that version can be good enough. Software authors may need to play along with what the distributions want or be left out in the cold.

But if the software is important or critical to us, our threshold of aggravation is very high. Doing without or living with bugs fixed upstream in more recent versions becomes less and less of an option or is outright off the table. If we can use a distribution version we generally will, because that's less work, but if we have to we will abandon the distribution and work directly with the upstream version in one way or another. Here the software author holds the balance of power. The distributions can either go along with how the software author is working or be bypassed entirely.

(As an illustration of this power, we install the upstream versions of Prometheus and rspamd instead of the Ubuntu versions. And we use Grafana despite it not being packaged in Ubuntu 18.04.)

This means that one of factors in the balance of power is what sort of software it is, which goes a long way to determining how critical it is to people. The authors of a utility program usually have a lot less leverage than the authors of important services. Authors of important services are also much more exposed to people's anger if distributions make mistakes, as they do every so often, which gives these software authors some biases.

Modern software ecologies like Rust, Python, NPM, and Go have shifted this balance of power in an important way, especially for things like utility programs, because all of them provide a simple way for people to install a program straight from its authors, bypassing the distribution. I don't think that the ecologies are deliberately trying to make distributions obsolete, but they do have a strong motivation to remove the distributions as gatekeepers. No distribution will ever package all of the software that's written in any language, so the easier the language makes it to install software outside of a distribution, the more software written in it will be used and spread.

(These ecologies do somewhat less well at letting you easily keep the programs you've installed up to date, but I suspect that that will come with time. Also, pragmatically a lot of people don't really worry about that for a lot of programs, especially utility programs.)

Sidebar: The historical balance of power shift

In the old days, it was often difficult (and time consuming) to either compile your own version of something written in C (or C++) or obtain a working binary from upstream. For building, there was no standard build system, you often had to pick a bunch of install time options, and you might need to do this for a whole collection of dependencies (which you would need to install somewhere that building the main program could find). For binaries, you had to deal with shared library versions and ABI issues. Distributions did all of this work for you, and it was hard work.

Modern software environments like Rust, Go, NPM, and Python change both the binary and the build your own side of this. Rust and Go statically link everything by default and produce binaries that are often universal across, eg, Linux on 64-bit x86, making it basically trouble free to get the upstream one. For building your own, all of them have single commands that fetch and build most programs for you, including the right versions of all of their dependencies.

tech/SoftwareAndDistroPower written at 23:01:21; Add Comment

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