Wandering Thoughts archives

2023-06-18

Link: The Difference Between Root Certificate Authorities, Intermediates, and Resellers

Andrew Ayer's The Difference Between Root Certificate Authorities, Intermediates, and Resellers is about exactly that issue in much more detail than what I wrote recently. Although I knew some of the information in this article, other pieces were new to me.

Also very relevant to this area is Ayer's earlier The SSL Certificate Issuer Field is a Lie. This covers what it says in the title and is a fun read; the rabbit hole goes pretty deep.

links/TLSCAsIntermediatesAndResellers written at 22:41:55; Add Comment

One temptation of shell scripting is reusing other people's code

At one point I read Martin Tournoij's The shell scripting trap, and it sparked some thoughts in me about why shell scripting is forever tempting people. One of the reasons I see is the enduring appeal of code reuse, because as programmers we're often all lazy (and system administrators can be extra lazy because we have other things to do; programming is often a sideline).

Here I don't mean reusing code from other shell scripts, because you can do that in any language. Where shell scripting is unique is that you immediately get to reuse a large mass of code in the form of all of the Unix utilities out there. Some of these utilities have relatively direct equivalents in languages like Python (especially if you're willing to be brute force), but not all of them and often not as easily, and you also don't get to integrate with other utilities in the fluid way you do with shell scripts.

(Of course this is also one of the traps of shell scripting, in that you have to rely on Unix utilities for many things; there's nothing in the shell to fall back on the way there is in Python or other languages.)

Since you do a lot of shell scripting by having Unix utilities work together with each other, there's a useful synergy in this code reuse (to phrase it one way). Up to a certain point, as you learn about more utilities (and learn more about complex utilities), you increase the number of useful connections and transformations you can put together.

I'm not sure if there's a good way to do this sort of 'code reuse' in another language. Years ago I wrote about some of the issues I saw in Making a good Unix glue language and Why there's a gulf between shells and programming languages, and I still think those are real issues. Unix shells have languages that are very well optimized for this 'code reuse' through running Unix utilities and connecting them together. You might be able to design a programming language that's as fluid for this while still being a good programming language, but I suspect it's not really feasible in something like Python.

(The one 'language' I suspect I should look at here is Microsoft's Powershell.)

programming/ShellScriptingReuseTemptation written at 22:25:26; Add Comment


Page tools: See As Normal.
Search:
Login: Password:
Atom Syndication: Recent Pages, Recent Comments.

This dinky wiki is brought to you by the Insane Hackers Guild, Python sub-branch.