Wandering Thoughts archives

2024-10-19

Forced MFA is effectively an annoying, harder to deal with second password

Suppose, not hypothetically, that some random web site you use is forcing you to enable MFA on your account, possibly an account that in practice you use only to do unimportant things like report issues on other people's open source software. I've written before how MFA is both 'simple' and non-trivial work, but that entry half assumed that you might actually care about the extra security benefits of MFA. If some random unimportant (to you) website is forcing you to get MFA, this goes out the window.

What the website is really doing is forcing you to enable a second password for your account, one that you must use in addition to your first password. Instead of using a password saved in your password manager of choice, you must now use the same saved password plus an additional password that is invariably slower and more work to produce. We understand today that websites that prevent you (or your password manager) from pasting in passwords and force you to type them out by hand are doing it wrong; well, that's what MFA is doing, except that often you're going to need a second device to get that password (whether that is a phone or a security key).

(For extra bonus points, losing the second 'password' alone may be enough to permanently lose your account on the website. At the very least, you're going to need to do a number of extra things to avoid this.)

My view is that if something unimportant is forcing MFA on you you don't feel like giving up on the site entirely, you might as well use the simplest, easiest to use MFA approach that you can. If the website will never let you in with the second factor alone, then it's perfectly okay for it to be relatively or completely insecure, and in any case you don't need to make it any more secure than your existing password management. In fact you might as well put it in your existing password management if possible, although I suspect that there are no current password managers that will both hold your password for a site and (automatically) generate the related TOTP MFA codes to go with it.

(You can get this on the same device, when you log in from your smartphone using its saved passwords and whatever authenticator app you're using. Don't ask how this is actually 'multi-factor', since anyone with your unlocked phone can use both factors; almost everyone in the MFA space is basically ignoring the issue because it would be too inconvenient to take it seriously.)

Will this defeat the website's security goals for forcing MFA down your throat? Yes, absolutely. But that's their problem, not yours. You are under no obligation to take any website (or your presence on it) as seriously as it takes itself. MFA that is not helping anything you care about is an obstacle, not a service.

Of course, sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, so if you're implementing MFA for your good local security needs, you should be considering if the people who have to use it are going to think of your MFA in this way. Maybe they shouldn't, but remember, people don't actually care about security (and people matter because security is people).

tech/ForcedMFAIsASecondPassword written at 22:32:21;


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