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2025-02-13

'Internal' accounts and their difference from 'external' accounts

In the comments on my entry on how you should respond to authentication failures depends on the circumstances, sapphirepaw said something that triggered a belated realization in my mind:

Probably less of a concern for IMAP, but in a web app, one must take care to hide the information completely. I was recently at a site that wouldn't say whether the provided email was valid for password reset, but would reveal it was in use when trying to create a new account.

The realization this sparked is that we can divide accounts and systems into two sorts, which I will call internal and external, and how you want to treat things around these accounts is possibly quite different.

An internal account is one that's held by people within your organization, and generally is pretty universal. If you know that someone is a member of the organization you can predict that they have an account on the system, and not infrequently what the account name is. For example, if you know that someone is a graduate student here it's a fairly good bet that they have an account with us and you may even be able to find and work out their login name. The existence of these accounts and even specifics about who has what login name (mostly) isn't particularly secret or sensitive.

(Internal accounts don't have to be on systems that the organization runs; they could be, for example, 'enterprise' accounts on someone else's SaaS service. Once you know that the organization uses a particular SaaS offering or whatever, you're usually a lot of the way to identifying all of their accounts.)

An external account is one that's potentially held by people from all over, far outside the bounds of a single organization (including the one running the the systems the account is used with). A lot of online accounts with websites are like this, because most websites are used by lots of people from all over. Who has such an account may be potentially sensitive information, depending on the website and the feelings of the people involved, and the account identity may be even more sensitive (it's one thing to know that a particular email address has an Fediverse account on mastodon.social, but it may be quite different to know which account that is, depending on various factors).

There's a spectrum of potential secrecy between these two categories. For example, the organization might not want to openly reveal which external SaaS products they use, what entity name the organization uses on them, and the specific names people use for authentication, all in the name of making it harder to break into their environment at the SaaS product. And some purely internal systems might have a very restricted access list that is kept at least somewhat secret so attackers don't know who to target. But I think the broad division between internal and external is useful because it does a lot to point out where any secrecy is.

When I wrote my entry, I was primarily thinking about internal accounts, because internal accounts are what we deal with (and what many internal system administration groups handle). As sapphirepaw noted, the concerns and thus the rules are quite different for external accounts.

(There may be better labels for these two sorts of accounts. I'm not great with naming)

tech/InternalVsExternalAccounts written at 22:22:00;


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