Google Groups entirely ignores SMTP time rejections

June 22, 2019

I have a very old mail address that I have made into a complete spamtrap through my sinkhole SMTP server. Simplifying only slightly, my SMTP server rejects all email to this address no later than after the end of transferring the message (at the message termination after SMTP DATA). When it rejects email this late, I capture the full message.

On September 5th of last year (2018), this spamtrap email address rejected a message from Google Groups informing it that it had been added to a spam mailing list:

Subject: You have been added to Equity Buyers Network
From: Equity Buyers Network <>

Google Groups ignored this rejection and began sending email messages from the group/mailing list to my spamtrap address. Each of these messages was rejected at SMTP time, and each of them contained a unique MAIL FROM address (a VERP), which good mailing list software uses to notice delivery failures and unsubscribe addresses. Google Groups is, of course, not good mailing list software, since it entirely ignored the rejections. I expect that this increases the metrics of things like 'subscribers to Google Groups' and 'number of active Google Groups' and others that the department responsible for Google Groups is rewarded for. Such is the toxic nature of rewarding and requiring 'engagement', especially without any care for the details.

Since September 5th of 2018 up until yesterday, the spamtrap address has rejected ten email messages. These came September 10th, September 21st, November 20th and 23rd, December 22nd, 24th, and 31st (the last of which prompted this entry), February 4th, and now June 12th and 21st. Many of them were stock touting spam (or in general asset touting spam); some were touting the 'message broadcasting' services of the company that established the mailing list. A couple were both at once, and if you guessed that this involves cryptocurrency (or at least something that sounds like it), you would be correct.

Due to writing this entry and thinking about the issue, I've changed my spamtrap system so that it will no longer accept any email from Google Groups and will reject such email attempts immediately as 'uninteresting spam' that is not even specifically logged. I'm not interested in being part of Google's outsourced abuse department, and this insures that I don't have to think about this any more.

(At one point I might have been interested in just what spammers set up on Google Groups, but I no longer am. That Google Groups is a de facto spam service is no longer news and I am not interested in the specifics, any more than I am with, say, Yahoo Groups.)

Sidebar: Who the responsible party is

The claimed information is a cluster of corporate names and two listed addresses. I will let you consult search engines for their websites, since I have no desire to contribute anything even approaching links. They are:

Questrust Ventures Inc
Equity Buyers
Iastra Broadcasting

Equity Buyers Group
1875 Avenue of the Stars Ste 2115
Century City CA 90067

iAstra Canada Richmond BC, Canada, v7y-3j5

That this organization claims a Canadian address (which may or may not be real) means that they theoretically definitely fall within the reach of Canada's anti-spam laws, which they are pretty definitely acting in violation of. Of course the odds that they will ever be held to account for that are probably low.

Written on 22 June 2019.
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