I've become mostly indifferent to what language something is written in
In a comment on this entry, Opk wrote (in part):
Will be interesting to hear what you make of git-series. I saw the announcement and somewhat lost interest when I saw that it needed rust to build.
I absolutely get this reaction to git-series being written in Rust, and to some extent I share it. I have my language biases and certainly a program being written in some languages will make me turn my nose up at it even if it sounds attractive, and in the past I was generally strongly dubious about things written in new or strange languages. However, these days I've mostly given up (and given in) on this, in large part because I've become lazy.
What I really care about these days is how much of a hassle a program is going to be to deal with. It's nice if a program is written in a language that I like, or at least one that I'm willing to look through to figure things out, but it's much more important that the program not be a pain in the rear to install and to operate. And these days, many language environments have become quite good at not being pains in the rear.
(The best case is when everything is already packaged for my OSes.
Next best is when at least the basic language stuff is packaged and
everything else has nice command line tools and can be used as a
non-privileged user, so '
go get ...' and the like just work and
don't demand to spray things all over system directories. The worst
case is manual installation of things and things that absolutely
demand to be installed in system directories; those get shown the
exit right away.)
In short, I will (in theory) accept programs written in quite a lot
of languages if all I have to do to deal with them is the equivalent
<cmd> install whatever', maybe with a prequel of a simple
install of the base language. I don't entirely enjoy having a
$HOME/.<some-dir> populated by a pile of Python or Ruby or Perl
or Rust or whatever artifacts that were dragged on to my system in
order to make this magically work, but these days 'out of sight, out
There are language environments that remain hassles and I'm unlikely to touch; the JVM is my poster child here. Languages that I've never had to deal with before add at least the disincentive of uncertainty; if I try out their package system and so on, will it work or will it blow up in my face and waste my time? As a result, although I'm theoretically willing to consider something written in node.js or Haskell or the like, in practice I don't think I've checked out any such programs. Someday something will sound sufficiently attractive to overcome my biases, but not today.
(As mentioned, I generally don't care if the program is available
as a prebuilt package for my OS, because at that point there's
almost no hassle; I just do '
apt-get install' or '
and it's done. The one stumbling block is if I do '
and suddenly three pages of dependent packages show up. That can
make me decide I don't want to check out your program that badly.)
In the specific case of git-series and Rust, Rust by itself is not quite in this 'no hassle' zone just yet, at least on Fedora; if I had nothing else that wanted Rust, I probably would have ruled out actively looking into git-series as a result. But I'd already eaten the cost of building Rust and getting it working in order to keep being able to build Firefox, and thus at the start of the whole experience adding Cargo so I'd be able to use git-series seemed simple enough.
(Also, I can see the writing on the wall. People are going to keep on writing more and more interesting things in Rust, so sooner or later I was going to give in. It was just a question of when. I could have waited until Rust and Cargo made it into Fedora, but in practice I'm impatient and I sometimes enjoy fiddling around with this sort of thing.)
This casual indifference to the programming language things are using sort of offends my remaining purist insticts, but I'm a pragmatist these days. Laziness has trumped pickiness.
Comments on this page:Written on 31 July 2016.